The Story of Foreign Money In Armenia - Talk (Comments)

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Extracted July 11, 2021

• a) A Turkish Plot to Subvert the Armenian Nation and its values
• b) A Canadian Plot to assert influence in the region, in lieu of better regional trade deals
• c) A British Plot to continue its colonization activities through other means

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Tigran, you may be interested in these facts:

1. Upon the expulsion of the jews from Europe (Spain) in 1492, the Ottoman Sultan gave asylum to the sephardic jews and invited them to the Ottoman Empire where they were given basic freedoms, including freedom of worship. Since then, the jews consider the Ottoman Sultans to be their Savior, and thus about 500 years ago was born the turkish-jewish brotherly love. (See the recently published book, “Sultanic Saviors and Tolerant Turks: Writing Ottoman Jewish History, Denying the Armenian Genocide (Sephardi and Mizrahi Studies)”)

2. The Young Turk movement was actually a Zionist movement whose original goal was to give Palestine — then a part of the Ottoman Empire — to the jewish people. At the turn of the 19th century, a first attempt was made by a small group of Shabatean Jews (a.k.a. “donmeh” jews) by meeting with Sultan Abdul Hamid and offering him a bribe in gold worth about $30 billion in today’s money. The Sultan refused the bribe and responded angrily. Thus Plan B was put into place: a political revolution, with the help of minorities like Armenians (specifically, the early Armenian “revolutionaries”, particularly the ARF) to overthrow the Sultan. The revolution succeeded, and one of the men who let the Sultan know he is n0 longer Sultan was one Emmanuel Karasu, one of the three donmeh-sephardic jews from Salonica who had initially approached him with the bribe. Having duped the ARF with promises of equality, brotherhood with the turks and liberty, the ARF agreed to enlist all Armenian men of the Ottoman Empire into the ottoman army, not realizing that they would be executed. As such, instead of fighting for an independent Armenia, the able-bodied men Armenian population was led to their death by their “revolutionary” leadership, and the unprotected Armenian population was raped, slaughtered, or expelled from the Armenian homeland. (The details of this encounter and the real history of the Young Turks can be found in the book Օսմանեան յեղափոխութեան մութ ծալքերը, Beirut, 1938).

3. The Armenian Genocide has been methodically denied by jewish historians in American and other western universities, working closely with the Turkish government and the jewish community in Turkey. Even more, the jewish lobby has been the main obstacle for the recognition of the Armenian Genocide by the U.S. government. (Details in the first book above, “”Sultanic Saviors and Tolerant Turks: Writing Ottoman Jewish History, Denying the Armenian Genocide (Sephardi and Mizrahi Studies)”)
Aram

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Regarding item #2, claiming the Young Turk movement was a Zionist movement is not accurate. Zionist Congresses were not pro-Turkish, nor anti-Armenian, but rather pro-Palestine colonization. See: https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2018/01/04/returns-diplomatic-investment-zionist-policies-armenians/

For sure, Crypto-Jew Donme and Zionists were involved in pre and post 1908 Young Turk revolution activity, including promulgating pan-Turkic ideology. Based on my research, this Zionists effort was to co-opt an Islamic association across the Ottoman Empire with multiple ethnic identities. This goal was directly related to British designs connected with Lawrence of Arabia and lesser-known agitators across the wider empire. In this way, there was a mechanism to dismember the Ottoman Empire. In the end, any European power having a mandate over Palestine would be in the Zionist interest.

One can accurately state that the proto-fascist Young Turk ideological movement resulted in the Turkification of Anatolia, with its most significant expression was the genocide of the Armenians.

However, because Constantinople was the seat of the Islamic Caliphate, even after 1908, pan-Turkism among the Islamic population of Turkey was not widespread. It took Mustafa Kemal to finish that process. The real hotbed of pan-Turkism was Baku.
David Davidian

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Hi David, I recommend you read Rifat Mevlanzade’s book I mentioned above (Օսմանեան յեղափոխութեան մութ ծալքերը)։ Have you come across it? It was written by a former Young Turk member of kurdish origin who published the work in ottoman turkish in the late 1920s in Aleppo. The book has only been translated into Western Armenian (and more recently I believe to Turkish). (I have a copy of the original ottoman turkish as well). The Armenian version of the book was first published in Beirut in 1938, then again in 1979, and a third publishing was made in Yerevan in 1991. In addition to details of the donmeh jews’ offer of a bribe to the Sultan which the Sultan refused and the details of the Young Turk revolution, the book also includes minutes from meetings of the Young Turk leadership that show that the most anti-Armenian elements among the young turk leadership who planned the genocide were indeed donmeh jews, namely Doctor Nazim, whose donmeh jew brother-in-law would later run the operation to destroy some of the evidence of the genocide (namely by pioneering the use of lime in order to decompose the Armenian dead in mass underground caves in the Syrian desert).

In any case, I highly recommend the aforementioned book which is a primary source and is important to translate into English to reach a broader audience (as I mentioned, I have a copy of the original ottoman turkish as well).
ARAM

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I have the book in Armenian. While it is a great reference, it does not provide a view the wider diplomatic angle, nor could it, given the reality of the time. May I suggest an interesting reference by Marc David Baer, “The Donme” pub. 2010. It provides details generally not published at the time of Mevlanzade.

The role of the Donme need not be underestimated nor exaggerated. Also, records of Zionist Congresses refer to the Ottoman Sultan as a murderer of Armenians with blood on his hands. Most delegates were split between any support for the Sultan, no matter what the stakes.

Regards
DAVID DAVIDIAN

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David, Yes, “The Dönme: Jewish Converts, Muslim Revolutionaries, and Secular Turks” is written by the same Marc David Baer who wrote the book I mentioned “Sultanic Saviors and Tolerant Turks: Writing Ottoman Jewish History, Denying the Armenian Genocide (Sephardi and Mizrahi Studies)”.

More than that book, I would recommend reading “The Burden of Silence: Sabbatai Sevi and the Evolution of the Ottoman-Turkish Dönmes” by Cengiz Sisman. It should be mentioned that a number of American jews with close ties (e.g. marriage, professorships in Turkey) today operate in Armenia, some under the guise of doing “academic research.” These jewish operatives in Armenia serve the interests of the 500-year-old turkish-jewish brotherhood, which we also saw in action during the 2020 war in Artsakh via pro-turkish coverage in jewish-controlled global media as well as via weapons and training to the Azeri military.
ARAM

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Dear Aram,

Those are indeed facts, long lost to the majority of our people: intellectual or otherwise.

While I was not aware of the book you referenced and just obtained a digital copy, I am well-read on the matter.

It is only the tip of the iceberg, as the Hamidian Massacres themselves were the end-result of a trial run for what eventually became known as the Zionist Action Committee. Next to the bribes, the Zionist movement sought to see whether the Ottoman Empire would ‘bend the knee’ and accept independence for a minority group, in this case the Armenians, as a test for a future independence movement in Palestine. By encouraging nationalistic fervor in the northeast of the empire, an uprising was fueled, which was then brutally crushed by the same Sultan Abdul-Hamid, resulting in the death of some 300,000 of our ancestors.

It is no secret that Theodor Herzl, the father of the modern Zionist movement, cooperated with the Sultan to restrict the flow of news of the massacres to the outside (and still Christian) world, by instructing fellow Jewish media magnates to avoid reporting on the plight of the Armenians. He is known to have said “Under no circumstances are the Armenians to learn that we want to use them in order to erect a Jewish state.”

It wasn’t until the ARF orchestrated the armed takeover of the European-run “Ottoman Bank” in Constantinople that European governments became aware of and admitted to the atrocities occurring within the empire.

Fast forward to the Genocide, and the same Young Turks had a propaganda and publication wing being funded by one Alexander Parvus (birth name: Israel Lazarevich Gelfand). A wealthy Jewish merchant from Belarus, who boasted a resume of genocidal activities: The attempted Russian Revolution of 1905, the involvement with the Young Turks, the Soviet Revolution, and activism in socialist circles in Germany.

As an addition to your first point, there was also another great migration of Eastern-European and Talmudic Jews to the Ottoman Empire in the mid-1600s, after Sabbatai Zevi of Smyrna had proclaimed himself to be the Jewish Messiah. A number of individuals who became known as “Donmehs” or crypto-Jews of the Ottoman Empire, were followers of this man.

I tend to not open with such facts, as it is a great historical revisionism to what our people are used to. When I see fellow Armenians marching for recognition of the 1915 Genocide, holding up banners of the alleged statement by Adolf Hitler, I wonder how many have truly researched the source of that quote. It famously goes “Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?” – of course, this is of great achievement for the Jewish elite, when a Jewish congressman (Adam Schiff) is standing on the same stage – constantly feeding the hope of official state recognition of Genocide (As a reminder, the US has not yet officially recognized the Armenian Genocide. A one-page commemorative statement by a US President is not law), while at the same time distributing a false narrative among Armenians.

During the Nuremberg trials, the victorious Allies attempted to eradicate the German high command and other high ranking members in their entirety. Grand Admiral Erich Raeder, having had a naval career his entire life, had no troubling past that could be used towards a death sentence. Thus, a Jewish staff member of the US Army, presented a forged transcript of an alleged “secret meeting” between Hitler and his generals, where such statements were supposedly made. Having been rushed to the court, the forgery became quickly apparent as it was debated by the legal teams. So much so that the document was put aside and not actually used towards prosecution of Raeder.

But that is where we are as a people. We yearn for the sympathy and acceptance of others – the wealthier they may be, the more pride our people displays in parroting their styles, values, and education. And who flaunts greater wealth in this world, than the Jew?
TIGRAN

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So you only send money to those who push your ideological agenda? How “democratic” of you. 🙂 Thanks for confirming the point.
ARAM

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The ARF were openly allied with the Young Turks. This is a well-known, well-accepted fact. Instead of fighting for an independent Armenian, these so-called “revolutionaries” gave the entire able-bodied Armenian men that would have formed the Armenian military to the Ottoman Army without a fight. They were simply massacred.

It takes a leadership with a particularly low intelligence to allow its people to be massacred at the scale of 75% of the population being wiped out and 99% being exiled from their ancestral homeland.

Sad but true. We must face reality and not fool ourselves.
ARAM

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